My goal for 2016 is to get back in the habit of posting trailers on a regular basis, something which I sort of abandoned in the last half of 2015 (it’s a long story). And what better way to start than with the latest trailers for Suicide Squad and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. I haven’t been particularly enthusiastic at the prospect of a DC Extended Universe of films, designed to combat the wildly successful Marvel Cinematic Universe, following the release of Man of Steel two and a half years ago. I was not a fan of Man of Steel (nor of Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy before it, which is not a part of the new Universe but which obviously influenced its tone), and the fact that the second film they’re attempting is such an obvious push to get an Avengers-style film out (Superman! Batman! Wonder Woman! Flash! …Aquaman? Cyborg?) makes the film feel too forcefully commercial in an already overly-commercial genre. But what I do find interesting about the DCEU is that its two upcoming films already feel very different. If there’s one criticism of the MCU I’ll entertain, it’s that the films generally aim for the same sort of tone, and despite a good amount of variety among the films they all feel kind of similar, as if they’re different chapters in the same book rather than individual movies. And while Batman v Superman feels like more of the same following Man of Steel, Suicide Squad’s latest trailer makes it seem like the film was made by an entirely different studio. And what really surprises me is how much these latest trailers have changed my level of enthusiasm for the films, though in completely opposite directions from each other. Take a look at the Suicide Squad trailer below and then read on for my thoughts on it and Batman v Superman.
I had little interest in Suicide Squad when it was first announced. I’m not a big fan of villains, and the thought of watching villains forced by the government to save the day just didn’t do it for me. I get that antiheroes are far more popular than genuine, straight-up heroes, but I’d rather watch a good guy struggle than a bad guy seek redemption, especially if the point of a movie is to revel in how bad the bad guys are. I was intrigued by the fact that Will Smith signed on to the film, but other than Harley Quinn I wasn’t particularly familiar with any of the characters who make up the Suicide Squad beyond basic name recognition. And the early glimpses of Jared Leto as the Joker were simply off-putting, too much of a blatant attempt to be “modern” and to out-crazy Heath Ledger’s performance in The Dark Knight. The first trailer didn’t do the film any favors in my book (nor did the whiny statement Warner Bros. put out after the trailer was leaked, a far cry from the way Marvel reacted to the Avengers: Age of Ultron trailer leak), and I probably would have rated my chances of actually going to the film at 15%.
But this latest trailer has definitely upped those odds (I’d put it at maybe 45% at the moment). In many ways, Suicide Squad already feels like the DCEU’s version of Guardians of the Galaxy, but the difference in tone is more pronounced in the DCEU because of how dark and serious Man of Steel was. (Guardians was more fun than any of the other MCU films, but they’re all pretty fun and funny to begin with.) The use of “Bohemian Rhapsody” certainly helps strengthen the parallels between Suicide Squad and Guardians. It looks like more of a kick-ass action film than I would have expected, and funnier than I imagined. I’m more interested in the characters after this latest trailer, particularly Harley Quinn, and I like the variety of personalities. I’m still not a fan of the focus on villains, nor of the darkness and grittiness, but my opinion has definitely improved.
On the other hand, there’s Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. I’ve made no secret of the fact that I really disliked Man of Steel, even more than my review would let on. I thought the final hour of the film was a complete mess, the movie in general was missing the sense of hope and optimism that always set Superman apart, and even the color palette was dull. And this is from someone who actually likes Zach Snyder’s Sucker Punch. Nevertheless, I felt like the film had potential, particularly in its cast and the idea of giving a more modern take on Superman as an alien and outsider, even if it never lived up to that potential. So while I wasn’t eager for a sequel, I was at least willing to give it a shot, to see if they could build on the foundation of the first film while learning from their mistakes. Of course, when it was announced that the film would be Batman v Superman I lost a lot of my interest, only for it to be rekindled when Ben Affleck was revealed as the new Batman. I’m an Affleck fan, and I thought he’d make a good, older Batman (especially with Jeremy Irons as Alfred), and I liked the idea of trying to address the mindless destruction at the end of Man of Steel and having some consequences for Superman. The mythology of Superman, and the way the world reacts to him, is far more interesting than the character himself, and certainly more interesting than two invincible people punching each other through buildings. Batfleck could bring a much-needed human element to the story, and while the thought of watching the pair of them fight doesn’t hold much sway for me the thought of an intellectual debate between the two is intriguing. And then this happened:
I cannot stand Jesse Eisenberg’s Lex Luthor. He is so annoying that it makes me want to stop the video or change the channel whenever it comes on TV (which is a lot these days). I don’t have a problem with the actor, whom I’ve enjoyed in movies like Now You See Me and Zombieland, and while I personally wouldn’t have chosen him as Lex Luthor I admire the filmmakers’ desire to do something unexpected. But why in the hell does he have to be so completely obnoxious. I’m talking in particular about the scene in the trailer where he meets Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent, and does his schtick about Kent having a strong grip dozens of times now, and it gets more grating each and every time. I can’t imagine sitting through an entire film with that version of the character in it. (Eisenberg’s take on Lex is supposedly an impression of Max Landis, which makes even less sense.) His presence in the trailer was enough to knock my odds of seeing the film from 80% down to probably 30%. I’m sure there are justifications for his personality out there that fans have latched onto (it’s all an act!), but it rubs me the wrong way so much that I don’t know that I can overcome it. I’m seriously considering waiting for it to come out on DVD so I can rent it and fast-forward through his scenes.
But if there’s one saving grace from the Batman v Superman trailer, it’s the first appearance of Wonder Woman. I’m infinitely more interested in a Wonder Woman film than in anything the DCEU has to offer, both from a feminist perspective and merely in the interest of having something different. In one brief moment in the trailer she changes the entire energy of the film, turning it from some adolescent “what would happen if Batman fought Superman?” debate into something more mature and worth watching. She’s the anti-Jessie Eisenberg’s Lex Luthor, and just one shot of her is enough to make me wish we could skip these next two DCEU films and get right to the standalone Wonder Woman (coming in 2017). I don’t know anything about Gal Gadot, nor if she’ll make a good Wonder Woman, but just the prospect of this, the most famous female superhero, is exciting. So in the end I’m torn. Can I possibly sit through what will undoubtedly feel like endless scenes of Lex Luthor in order to get to Wonder Woman? I’m probably sitting at 50-50 odds right now on Batman v Superman, and while I don’t have much hope after Man of Steel, I’m still an optimist in spite of it all. I’d take 20 more MCU films over the DCEU, but I’m still capable of being surprised.
What do you think? Are you excited for Suicide Squad? What did you think of the new trailer? How about Batman v Superman? Am I the only one who can’t stand Eisenberg’s take on Luthor? Are you excited to see Wonder Woman finally on the big screen? Do you have in interest in the still-unseen Flash, Aquaman, or Cyborg? (I just want to know who Jena Malone is playing!) Do you feel like this last trailer gave too much away? Where do you come down on the Marvel/DC debate? What trailers (older or new) would you like me to cover in future weeks? Do you prefer more screencaps or discussion? Let me know in the comments!
I actually feel the same. Granted, I still have some interest in the DCEU as a DC fan (as well as Marvel) in general, but there is something that feels a bit off about these movies. Maybe it has to do with the fact that Man of Steel didn’t wow me or set the ball rolling whereas Iron Man definitely did. Heck I was interested in a Man of Steel sequel for the sake of exploring the Superman mythology, but then they announced it as Batman V Superman. I feel like that announcement is a perfect representation of the rest of the series in the case being that I was interested in exploring the world, but I feel as though they are doing so much so soon without any assurance that people would respond. The very title Batman V Superman will draw people, sure, but at the end of the day, we won’t know what it’s like until we see it.
That being said, I am absolutely looking forward to Wonder Woman. She’s pretty much the superpowered, DC version of a Black Widow/Peggy Carter that I didn’t know I needed. The more I see of that movie, the more I’m interested since it looks to revolve around her reintroduction to a WWI man-world in order to fulfill her real desire… to protect mankind. That is a fascinating character in my mind who tries to do the right thing in a mixed-up world. Perhaps I’m interested because this is DC trying something new with an exciting new premise of a female superhero. Even Marvel hasn’t tried that movie yet! There will be plenty of superhero movies, so I think they should be rewarded for trying something different.
I can’t really say how I feel about the other movies since I just think there’s a lot to take in. Honestly, I’m not optimistic about them since they aren’t really well-perceived characters. Cyborg couldn’t even carry his own comic-book series, and many prefer him as a Titan anyway. The Flash has some conflicts already since there is a popular Flash TV series out now that may suffer because of this choice. I’m impressed with the casting of Aquaman, but I was never interested in that story so I can’t say.
Rest assured, you are not the only one who doesn’t care for this kind of Lex Luther. I’ve always kind of enjoyed him as a smooth, clever mastermind behind things (there’s a slight appeal to this character in Supergirl with Maxwell Lord), but this feels… untrue. I’m not really threatened by him or interested in what he wants. That’s how I feel about these movies in a way. It’s not that they’re terrible or that they don’t have interesting stories. It’s just that something feels off and less personal about these characters. Maybe that’ll change, but for now I don’t know.
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I’m actually pretty mad that DC is getting the first female superhero movie out (of this most recent slate of movies, anyway). I feel like Marvel has done such a good job and there’s no logical reason that we haven’t gotten a Black Widow solo movie by now. Agent Carter is great, and I’m glad it’s still around, but it doesn’t get nearly the exposure that a Black Widow movie would have. And it would have fit perfectly in with Phase 2 after her big role in The Avengers.
I don’t have a huge opinion on the rest of the justice league, because I never read many DC comics. I read a few, but I was always more of a Spider-Man, Fantastic 4, X-Men fan, although I rarely read comics at all.
I agree that Maxwell Lord feels more like Lex Luthor than Jesse Eisenberg does. I don’t mind them trying something new for the character, I just wish he wasn’t so annoying to watch/listen to.
Great post! As you might know, I’m more of a DC man myself and not a lover of any of the Marvel films with my fave so far being Guardians of the Galaxy. But, I’ve quite loved Batman Begins and The Dark Knight and pretty much hated The Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel as well.
Regarding Suicide Squad, I wasn’t too interested in the film before, but thought Jared Leto’s Joker would be fun to watch too. But, after seeing that trailer, it’s now risen to one of my most anticipated films of 2016! I love villains and the film just looks crazy! I even think Margot Robbie’s performance is just as good as Jared Leto’s.
Regarding Batman vs. Superman, I wasn’t interested in it at all since I hated Man of Steel, with the brief exception of seeing how Jeremy Irons would play Alfred. After the trailer, my interest increased…but not really that much. It’s probably like your SS increase: it’s about a 45% now. I don’t really care about Wonder Woman and I’ve gotta see the film to see whether or not I’m gonna like Eisenberg as Luthor. But, in the end, SS is the film I’m more excited for!
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Thanks! I didn’t know you were more of a DC fan, but that’s interesting to know. I also hated The Dark Knight Rises, and really the only thing I like from any of those films was Heath Ledger. Still, I like Batman and Superman as characters, and I’d like to see them done justice on the big screen.
I was really surprised at how positive was my reaction to the Suicide Squad trailer, and I’m glad I’m not the only one. I still have 0 interest in Jared Leto as the Joker, but Margo Robbie looks like she’ll do a great job as Harley Quinn.
I may be more likely to see Batman v Superman, simply because I feel an obligation to see it having seen Man of Steel, but I’m certainly more excited about Suicide Squad. I wonder if the people at Warner Bros. knew how positive the reaction to the trailers would be. It’d be hilarious to me if SS outgrossed Batman v Superman!
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Oh yeah, I’ll deff watch Batman Vs Superman even though I don’t want to. I’m one of those guys who when they see a franchise/series has to watch all the movies in it even if they didn’t like it.
I feel SS could possible outgross Batman Vs Superman in the domestic numbers. I can’t see SS being that big of a hit outside of North America.
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I think you’re right. Batman v Superman has more recognizable characters and thus more international appeal.
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